Ryanair Chief Executive Michael O‘Leary broke months of media silence on Tuesday to defend his decision to recognize unions for the first time in 32 years, saying it would allow his airline to expand and help to keep staff costs down.
In his first interview since Friday’s surprise decision to accept unionization to stave off a string of Christmas strikes, O‘Leary said the move was his idea and that he would not step down. His action knocked more than 10 percent off the company’s shares.
But he also warned unions that he would not be a soft-touch and if they put forward unreasonable demands he would simply shift planes and jobs to other jurisdictions.
“This is not a ruse. This is serious,” O‘Leary said of the decision, which he said was “in many respects my idea” and which he ran past the company’s board of directors on Thursday night.
“But if someone is being unreasonable and we are being completely messed around by a union, we will still move aircraft away from that base or country,” he said in the interview in his Dublin office, flanked by his chief operations officer Peter Bellew and chief people officer Eddie Wilson, who are leading talks with unions.
He rejected media speculation that he may step aside to make way for Bellew, who left his position as chief executive of Malaysia Airlines last month and has been the face of the company in recent days.
“Am I going to leave? No. I am going to stay,” said O‘Leary, in his first media interview since a Sept. 21 annual general meeting when he infuriated pilots by saying they did not have a difficult job.
O‘Leary said union recognition would open new opportunities for Ryanair, allowing it to work in heavily unionized countries like France and Denmark.
The airline could move 50 planes to France – one eighth of its current 400-plane fleet – he said, although he said the speed of such a deployment would depend on the availability of planes and deals with airports.
Ryanair will still meet its target of flying 200 million passengers per year by 2024, up from just under 130 million this year, he said.
O‘Leary said the decision to recognize unions would not impact on the company’s annual profit forecast and that he did not expect staff costs to increase beyond the extra 100 million euros announced following the cancellation of 20,000 flights in September.
“We have already admitted there will be an uptick in labor costs next year. But will it alter our model? No,” he said.
“We will still have much lower aircraft costs, much lower financing costs, much lower airport deals. That will all remain unchanged.”
In the longer term, the rate of growth of staff costs could actually decrease as he said pilots prefer to work in unionized airlines, he said.
O‘Leary said the decision to recognize unions was not a result of management weakness or pilot strength but the fact that the airline was facing the prospect of compensating 150,000 passengers in Christmas week and possibly more after that.
“If you need to go on strike just to test our mettle, then go ahead,” O‘Leary said. “But not in Christmas week. And not one that disrupts all our customers across Europe.”
“Union recognition was always going to happen when we moved into France. We have just moved that forward,” he said.
Bellew and Wilson are due to meet with the Irish pilots union for the first time on Tuesday evening. O‘Leary declined to comment on what Ryanair would concede. Ryanair, he said, would go in with a “can do” attitude.
Ryanair shares closed up 2.3 percent on Tuesday at 14.95 euros, but well below the Friday opening of 17.6 euros as investors have fretted that union recognition could potentially damage the carrier’s low-cost business model.
Rory Powe, fund manager at Man GLG (EMG.L), a top 20 shareholder in Ryanair, said some investors agreed with O‘Leary’s reading of the situation.
“I don’t see Ryanair’s cost advantage being eroded by anything more than an immaterial amount,” he said. “He has adapted and will continue to stay.”